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asafespaceforfansofBTSandotherkpopgroupstoaskthetoughquestion
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sosomeofyoumightrememberpreviousepisode
wediscussedmelanieandherrelationshipwithkpopoverall
andwearegoingtotalkalittlebitmoreaboutthatday
soithinkweshouldstartwiththequestion
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wegottoseetwodayswilltalkalittlebitmoreaboutthatinanotherepisode
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andthentheyrekindofneverheardofagainandyoureallyhavetofight
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andthatsawesomeandfine
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whatkindofmusicdoyoulistentoinyourpersonaltime
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youwanttoberecognized
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sotherearepeoplethataremakingtheirliving
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ireachedouttoher
andsaidheyimadethisaboutyou
partofmewasdoingitbecauseiwantedhertohearitfromme
butalsopartofmereallywantedthatvalidationoflikeicreatedthispleasenoticeme
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andiwillreplytopeoplewhosaynicethings
andsowhenifoundthisthing
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andmymanagerlistentoit
andmyhusbandlistentoit
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butlotsofpeopleclosetomeandmy
mylilistentoitandwerejust
soitwaslikeasizeofrelief
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andnowthatyouknowtheyvebeenpartneredwithrepublicrecords
likewhatisthenextstepfortwice
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andilovewritingwithandforthemsomuch
sothosetwosongswereverybiglaborsoflove
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letsseewhathappens
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becausewerethinkingofthatartists
someoneelsewhowantstobelikethatartistwilltakethissohome
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itgetstosomebodywhowantstodosomethingsuchasthatstyleofmusic
whenyouaredoingitwithacertainartistinmindareyougoingoffofwhatyouveheardintheirpreviousmusic
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thatisunexpectedforthatartist
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andthenothertimestheyrejustssykayhavefun
theresfreedomhereillsaycoolandimfinewitheitherwayihaveliterallynopreference
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doyouhaveasongwriter
feellikeyouhavealmostadifferentvoicebaseongenderofthesegroups
imeanweallknowthatgenderiscompletelyfluidandwerestickingwiththisbionerarythatkpophasgiventous
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becauseweliketocategorizedthings
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somethingithinkalotoffansenjoyaboutkpopistheandrogney
iloveitthatsonething
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yourenotpenalizedforbeingbeautiful
exactly
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itreallyseemslikethepersonneersheputintoFXisalotofwhosheis
andshegottobetrueherselfinagirlgroup
whichithinkisreallycool
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ithinkmaybetwoweeksago
ivelostallsenseoftimesitsbeinghereitsokay
imtheyrecalledbilly
andwhatreallysurprisedmeaboutbillywasfirstivegotthatdarksoundkindofmorbbeeverglowsound
butitsthechoographyalsoyouknowtheresabigdifferencebetweengirlgroup
choographyandboygroupchoyoographymassivef
anditwasalmostlikeboygroupchoographyinfacttheresadancemove
thatsalmostexactlylikehobbiesandweirbulleletproofitslikeheyitsthedropthing
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嗯itsjustreallycoolwatching
eventhoughtheyarestillverybinerbybycallinggroupsonewayortheotherboygirltheystillhavethatfluidity
soofcourseyouretobewritingfromyourperspectiveasawomanandnotjustkipop
butithinkthemusicindustryingeneralisprettymuchaboygame
mepretkingyourselfintotherewhatisareallybigbenefitofbeingawoman
whatkindofthingsareyouaddingtothesesongsthattypicallymayeinboofbuyingpeoplewouldntbringtothetable
ithinkwhathavingafemaleidentifyingpersonintheroombringstothetableisperspective
itsbeingabletoexpressverbally
howitfeelstoberejectedbyletssaytheoppositesexortofeellikeawomanlyricallythingsaremuchmorepoeditic
ibelieveinafemalepointofview
soijustthinkthereissomethingbeautifulawomanbringstothetableinasessionlikewritingforanartist
thereisafemininity
thereresnotesthataboycantsingyingumunlessyoure
jammumunlessyoure
jiminorjhgcookitsitsveryinteresting
becauseidorightforalotofmalegroups
butidontoftengiveittoomuchmasculinity
idontchangethenotes
ithinkitintheinmyvocalrange
idontreallychangewhenimwritingsomethingforamalegroup
imjustlikeheyeitherhitthenote
orchangethekeyofthesong
iwouldsaythecurrentsoundthatTXThasisvirgingtowardsmoremasculine
becauseitsgotthatpoppunk
andiamobsessedgivingmeliketravccsparkertwothousandoneyesisaid
whenifirstheardzerobyonelovesong
iwaslikeohmygod
chesterbeningtonhascomeback
andisinhahabitingtayonsbody
becausethatwasboners
butwhydontiloveaboutthatalsoisyounjeisrunningaroundwearingaddress
andthisissogreat
whydidntwehavethis
whenwewerekidsidonotknowimveryjealous
buttherearelikeninedifferentversionsofthatsonglingonmycomputer
rightnowthatonewasonewherewewent
anddidalot
alotofdifferentmelodyattempts
icallthemelodyattempts
becausemostofmylyricsdontgetpted
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asusuperherocominglikesavehispersonorherperson
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andiwasliterallyflyingaroundtheworldsavingpeople
ilovefrombadchoicesorbaddecisionsorjustbadexperiences
youvewrittenforalotofestablishgroups
butyouvealsobeenworkingforworkygroups
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whenyourewritingthesesongsisthereadifferencebetweenwritingforanestablishgrouporbeinglikethisisarookiygroupwerecreatingtheirfirstsoundthereisabitmorefreedom
whenyourewritingforaroockygroup
youwillgetsomenotesfromthelabel
heyyouknowwewantthesongtosoundlikeABC
butfeelfreetodoXYNZ
andputwhateveryouwantonitsprinkleinyourownthing
andthensometimesarejustlikewedontknowwhatwewant
butweweknowwewantthesongtobeguitarheavy
andwewantedtobelikeloudsinglevocal
sowewillgetdirection
butoftentimestheresalotmorefreedom
writingforaroockygroup
thenwritingforsomebodyestablish
becauseyoudonthavethelittletricksofthetrade
whereyoucanlikegobacktotheirspotifyandlistentolikesixalbums
andgetinspirediwritingcrownstillcrowntothisdayasoneofmyfavoritesongseverisaidthisithinkinmysecondepisodeisthatsofarstillbrownismyfavoritechapossongofalltimeandivelistenedtosomanysincecethenatthemusicvideoalone
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itwasveryharrypopotterinthesourcerstone
anditwasacooltransitionforthem
itwasaveryseamlesstransitionforthem
ithinkwhenthesongsdone
andthesongisplacedandrecorded
andisingmysometimessingingmycareanbackgroundvocalsonit
itssocooltoseeitallwrappedupwiththebow
andliketheMVisout
andwhatisitliketosinginkoreanscary
doyouhavesomeonewithyou
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anditslikeokaysofforinstanceononrighttheywillsendmetheocapaleroftheboysinging
andiwillhavethemisolated
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andthenmyhusbandwillaudioengineerandcutandpasteit
soitsoundslikethatonglikeliketheAIUfeatureintotheisland
likehaveafullversionofthatsong
whereimjustsingingitalonecanihavehavewhenyouregoneletssee
letssee
letsseeimcuriousbecauseyouarebasedinaway
andevenprecovititjustdoesntmakesensetoalwaysflyoutandcommitwithpeople
youreworkingwithdoyouactuallytalktotheartiststhemselvesatanypoint
sometimes
sometimesforinstanceuhunartistsuchasminjy云shesverycommunicativewithmeaboutwhatshewantssowhatshedoesntwant
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andthentheyemailemailme
whoiveactuallyworkedwithmisrbangintheroomtogetheronuhtheTXTsongwasitrunaway
yes
itwasrunaway
itwasveryincredibletobeinhispresence
becausehereallyisifheistheauthorofalloftheseworlds
andsoithinkpeopleactuallyneedtogivehimmorecreditithinkthatssomethingididntrealizeaboutKPPuntilistartedlookingintoitmoreandrightnowimfinallygettingcaughtuponthesurvivalshowloud
andididntknowanythingaboutJYusandaperson
exceptthatpeopleforsomereasonliketomakefunofhim
andyouknowhesanotheroneworkslikethismanisagenius
iunderstandlikeunderstandmadeallofthishappenedtheyknowwhattheyaredoing
soyouareforbothkpopandwesternpopisthereadifferenceinthesound
orisbecausekpopisbecomingwesteronized
isthereslessofadifference
thereslessofadifference
nowbutbackintwentythirteen
twentyfourteen
teenthoughalmostupuntiltwentyseventeen
itwasalotmoreintelligent
iguessyes
intelligentisawordkipp
youreallowedtodomajorminorkeychangesinthemiddleofasong
youjusthavealotmorefreedomtobeamusicianinkipop
evennowadays
ithinkuhwereswesternmusicisabitmoreetnallotasinglevoicestuff
singleinstrumentsinglevoice
youknowinthethedaysbilillyeolationstuff
likethatitsalotmoresimplehereinthewesternanddisco
whatcanyoudoondisco
itsjustlikeavocal
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therebutwithartistankorea
itseemslikeivebeenmorefreetojustgo
gooffjaze
andsothesounditselfisreallydifferent
yesandlyricallyitsbusy
itsmuchmorebusy
becausekoreanphanaticallyisjustasmuchmorebusylanguagethanenglishshenglishisortoflikejustwavyandsoftwareskoreanisverypercussive
soyoureallowedtosaymoreithinkwhatilikeaboutcurrentwesternpopmusic
wearegettingbackintoaredissenceofstorytellingsongsespeciallywithfemaleartistsliketaylorswift
billyeyee
lishum
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whostheoneimobsessedwitholiviyrorogygowhereitsjusttheretheyarebringingbacktellingnewstories
andthatssomethingthatiloveaboutkpoptobeginwithwasevensometimesthetitletracksarelyricallyjustitsrebralandbeautifulandthatssomethingthatwedontusuallygetinamericanpopmusic
yeahitsverymuchastorytellingrodandilltellyoufromthebehindthescenespointofyouimgettingemailswherebutterisareferencenowlikeheythisartistjustgotsignedtoatlanarecords
andtheirnewandtheirsoundislikethis
andthenllcenlinktolikethreesongs
anditslikeoneoftheiroldersongs
andthenitsBTasbutter
andthenitssomeveryobscureericconommsongyouknowsoyeah
capsuyouyouericnomyes
ericnam
whatsareyouproudofstuff
thatsareallyhardquestion
becauseitseasyformetosaygoodinbedbyduweli
butbecauseitwasonanalbumthatonebestvocalatthegrammisright
itseasyformetosayboywithlove
becauseigottostandintimesquareandunderneaththesignthatsaidboywithloveandcrymyeyesout
itseasyformetosaysongsthathaveblownupbutactuallyumbombangshocklelotbyeverglowisoneofmyproudstsongs
ijustloveeverymelody
ilovemyhusbandsproduction
myhusbanddidtheinstrumentationonthatone
thebeatthesongthedayiwroteitthemoodiwasinitwassocooltowatchitgofromasongjustcalledeverything
whereiwasjustgoingeverything
everythingyouwanttomeanmyeverythinghuscomingthiskindofsplashingthewaterfoeverglow
iwillalsosayyouknowbetterbyhearingitsasongaboutherfeelingthepressuresoffameandbetrayalofpeopleinherlifeandsowasverycooltowritethatwithherintheroomandthenseeitgooffinkorea
wevedonealotofshoptalkandimsuretherearepeoplewhoaretuningintothisjusttohearddrama
herewego
ijustwantyoutohaveachancetoputoutthereclearupanymisconceptions
likearetweetsthatareattributedtoyou
yeahtheresalotofstuffattributedtome
andhonestlylikeimgoingtobebirtallyhonest
iwasscaredtodothisinterview
becauseiwasafraidwhatifisaythewrongthing
anditgetsintothewrongfanshands
andiendupatwittertrendingtopicagain
andmyphonenumbergetsleakedagain
anditsjustiwasscared
butithinkoneofthethingsthatwereally
bothofuswanttofocuson
isthatwordattributedtheinternet
itssoeasytomakethings
thattheresfafaketetelikedontbelieveyou
whatyoureadontheinternet
baborhamblinkn
exactlyorlikeineversaidthatjesuschristyes
whichimean
ifeellikehewouldsay
butthatseitherhereorthere
butsomeofthetweetsthathadcirculatedaretrue
butsomeofthemarecompletelyfabricated
ofcourseyoufeelcomfortable
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absolutelytherearesometweetsthatwerefabricated
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somethingnegativeaboutmuslimsortweetingouttheendworard
whichineverhaveandneverwould
嗯itsbadenough
whenpeoplepersonallyarefeelingingitreral
butthefactthatitaffectedyourjob
itcouldhaventwhatmakesmehappyisitdidntactuallyaffecttomyjob
becausethearefabricatedpeoplesawthroughitandunderstoodthatitwasfake
butwhoknowstheremightbesomeoneouttherethatwantstoworkwithme
thatseesitandthinksitalrightnowtherecouldbeandjustforlaperson
andiftheyrelistening
嗯
theyrenotwell
butimalsocuriouswritingisyourjob
andwearelivinginthiseraofcouncilculture
especiallyjustwithouraccesstotheinternet
yeswearegettingthepoint
whereitsreallyhardtoseparateanartistfromtheart
becausetheyrebeenproblematicartists
forevernowthatyouvegotintoacertainpointinyourcareerareyouatapoint
whereyoucanpickandchoosewhatprojectyouwanttotakeyesanddoyoueverchoosetogowiththeprojectornotgowithaprojectbasedonnotapersonssoundanythinglikethat
buthowtheyreportraaydoesthataffectyou
whenyoudecidewhoyouregoingtoworkwithidosometimesgivepeoplethebenefitofthedoubt
becauseofthefactthatihavebeengiventhebenefitthedoubt
imsuremanytimesnowespecially
aftereverythingthathappenedumyouguysgavemethebenefitofthedoubt
soiwerehererightnow
andsoidotendtodothatmoreoftenbecauseiknowhowfalsestoriescanbecomesorealto
topeopleifiweretoworkwithacontroversialartist
iwoulddefinitelydomydodiligencebyseekingcouncilofthelabelormanagementmyownmanagement
andjustpokingaround
becauseyouneverknowwhatsreal
andyouneverknowitsfakeinthemedia
somethingthatseemssorealtothepublic
couldjustbeatotallie
youknowinreallife
inreality
somethingthatcameupalotwithyourcollaborationwithtayyoungforsweetnight
waswhowrotethissong
andwhaticantquitewrapmyheadaround
becauseidont
ijustdontknowicomeoutitfromtwosides
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thereisnosuchthingasadirecttransetnightaction
nothereis
thereisnothereistheculturalnuance
theretheidiomsthatdontwork
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maybelikewhyareyoukickingbucket
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ifyousaidburnabridgeinagermansong
theywouldahackforme
ihavehadfundoingenglishcoversofkeppopsongs
butirealizediamusingwhatjeansaidinabsswhatthistranslationsays
butiamnottranslatingitexactly
butatthesametimeyoucomeacrossworksofart
throughouthistory
butthemostrecentonethaticanthinkofthethebookalittleprintsucanneverneversaytheguysnamerightbecauseinevertookfrench
itriedtowriteitfaneticallyletssee
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thankyouforputtingupwiththat
butwhenimputtingoutispeisfrench
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andifeelweintheunitedstatesisatranslation
andweneverneverattributethatbooktothetranslatweattributethebooktohim
sowhereisthatline
whenyouarewritingasong
whereyouaretranslatingwhatsomeoneelsewrotethereissometimesarequestfromalabeltosayreallydoyourbesttomakethisrimeandworksothellsayokay
soheresareallyroughrawtranslation
theresgoingtobealotofthingsthatwontmakesenseinenglish
butifyoucansticktothethemeofthissong
anddoalyricalinterpretation
whichissomethingivedoneseveraltimesforkoreanacts
thentherearetimeslikewithsweetnight
whereiwrotewithmyhusbandthefullenglishlyric
aboutthethemeofthesong
wewerenottoldtowriteanythingspecific
wewerejusttoldthisiswhatthesongisaboutherearethemelody
wedidsomuchlikehowiworkitwastheopposite
whereinormallyseeentheenglishlyrics
andsometimesbloblawblaw
becauseiknowforafact
theygoing
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theygoinggoingtochange
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akoreantheyerassistwillrelyricate
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andmytask
andmyhusbandstaskwastocreateanenglishlyric
andthats
whatwedid
andthenwegotsomefeedback
andthenwechangesomethings
andthenthatwasitandthe
thefeebackwascomingdirectlyfrom
fromtheinthelabelviathemodernmagicofemail
andithinkthatsreallyinteresting
becauserightnowupuntilwehahathisthisconsation
becauseicouldntquitewrapmyheadaroundit
andineverreallyseparated
嗯
thedifferentpartsofwritingasong
ithinksomethingalot
becauseyou
you
youhavehadtwoscandals
theboywithlovescandal
yesandthesweetthreenightscandal
andthething
ihatethativehadscandal
somuch
butatthesametimeyouhadscandals
likeyou
youareimportantenoughtohavescandal
butdosomethingstupidintherelike
likewhatsthatredhaddoingmh
butfinallytalkingthroughthis
itclickedforme
somethingthatarmydidntrealize
whentheysaidthattaywrotethissong
hewrotethesong
hewrotethemusicthatdoesntmean
hewrotethelyrics
andithinktherewasalotofconfusion
wheretherewasitwasin
itwasunfortunate
thattherewereotherarticleswrittenaboutthesong
thatdidnotacknowledgemyhusbandorme
andthatsnotmyfault
thatsnottastefaut
thatsnoteventhelabelsfault
itsjustthatthepressfocusedonv
whichiswhattheyshoulddobecauseitishissong
andthats
howtheyregoingtoselltheirarticle
andexactlyits
itsthatwholething
whereitscloudchasingrealoryoujustdoingyourjob
andatthatpoint
theywerejustdoingtheirjob
theydidnotcareaboutlindgrinormewhichisfine
becausethisiswhatidoeverydayrightsongsforpeople
sotheycanhavesongstogo
makeamillionpeoplehappyatconcertsright
soiwasnotcoridingsweetnightforattention
iwasdoingittohelpbetteridontknowjusthelpanartistmakethemostofthatmusic
forthatartist
forthatparticularproject
wasfortheittailonclasssogapping
saididontthinkitsnecessarilyafansfaultforreadingaforbsarticle
thatsaidhewrotethatsong
whilehewasonvacation
andhedidit
itwashisselfproduced
andithinkhedidself
idontknowmuchabouthowtheinstrumentationhappened
becauseijustreceivedthatsongwithhismelodiesonit
andthenweplayedpianoandwrotebulricsandsentitback
imsogladthatyouhaveclearedthisout
isitmakesalotofsensetome
andithinktheyllmakealotofsesetostenersersIIthatthatlistenersyoullpassthisontootherpeoplejusteducatethem
becauseiasamusicconsumerivebeenlisteningtomusicmywholelife
butitwasntuntiligottentocapeup
thatireallystarted
lookingatwheremymusiccomesfrom
andithinkitsironic
thattherearepeoplewhowillcomethroughlinernotes
andfindmelanesnameandfreakoutwhoarentarmy
thisissomethingthatonceweredoingjustafewweeksago
andatthesametimewhenthisarticlecomesout
evenifitisfromareputablesource
theyarenttakingthetimetolookatthoselinernotesforthatsong
andseethatyoudidcontributeitisthereinblackandwhite
嗯thatsareallyimportantthingaboutmedialiteracy
anditsreallyhardespeciallywithpersocialrelationshipsandwanningsomeonethatyoucareabouttosucceed
butyouwanttoputthesameamountofcareintoeverything
ifyouarelookingituptoproveapoint
becauseyouwanttobeprovedrightthatthispersonworkedonthis
youshouldalso
ifyouwanttoprovethatthispersondidntworkonthis
dothatlikeworktooexactlyimeanIIappreciatethatsomuch
its
itsbeenupanddowntohavereleases
becausesometimesigetnothingatall
sometimestheresnobacklash
whatsoeverwheniworkonasonginkorea
andthensometimesthereslikeaprovereralsheetstormofhate
anditmakesmegolikewhydidievenjumponthis
whydidi
anditmakesmesad
becauseitsmypassionandmyjoyinlife
and
andmorethansad
itmakesmedeflatedanotherthingthatwetalkedabout
inthepreviousepisodeabout
youwashowalotofwhatsgoingon
ithinkwiththesescandalsisinherentlyrootedinsexismonehundredpercent
andi
andidontwanttosayitsbecausepeopleareuneducated
butithinkitsbecausepeoplehavebeeneducatedthatthemusicindustries
amansworldandawomanisjustluckytobeinitanditsnothingthatanyonelearnedonpurpose
itsjustsomethingthathasbeen
ithasjusthasbeensincethedawnofthemusicindustryin
inadarktimeintheworld
itsjustnicetobepartofbringingpeopletogetherornotrippingthemapart
whenitseemslikethemediaandlikenewsjustwantstorippeopleapart
itsjustnicetobepartoflikebringingcommunitiestogether
fromsouthamerica
toindonesia
tosweden
tosouthafrica
istillcantbelieveivebeenlookingenoughto
todothat
butasawoman
itsjustbeenalittlebitharder
justalittlebitharderthinkingintermsofpeoplethatikeepusingarmy
becauseyouremostwellknownforyourcollaborationswithBTS
butsomebodythatarmyalsohasconflictedfeelings
theyreworkingwithBTSissupremeboy
butifeellikeeventhoughtheyreallydontlikewhatsupremeboyhasdoneorputoutintotheworld
andtheyevenstillnotsaying
oh
ireallynotsayingthattheraplineisntfriendswithhim
anymoretheyrestillnotsayingying
idontwanttolistentothissong
becausesupremeboywasisonitatthewaythattheysaymanymanyfttanowasinvolved
sothisisgoingtobegarbage
yes um
ithinkthatisdirectlybecauseimawoman
itsdirectlybecausewomenarejustlookedatasweaker
womenarealsowheninpositionsofpowerlookedatasbitches
andthisisjusttheway
itis
anditsreallythefaultofpriorgenerationsofbusinesspeoplewhodidbusinessassuch
whotreatedwomenassuch
thatswhyisayicantfaultpeoplesometimes
butwhatyoucantfaultpeoplefor
isnoteducatingthemselves
andnotattempting
andnotattempting
evenjustalittlebittolookatitfromothersperspective
andnottryingtochange
ofcourse
thishasjustbeensogreat
imean
ihadsomuchfunattheBTSconcerts
butimightsaythat
thisisthehighlightofmytripstopandmetoohonestly
metoothankyou
isthereanythingelsethatwehaventcover
thatyouwouldliketotellpeoplejustabouteitheryourcareeryouasaperson
weknowyourfavoritecolorsorange
sowedonthavetocoveritssofunny
nowthatimhere
itslikeeverythingiwanttosaygoesoutthewindow
butitslike
嗯
whatireallywantpeopletoknow
isitdidntstopme
youknowtheoldthingwhatdoesntkillyou
makesyoustronger
willknowitdidntmakemestronger
itweakenedmeandmadememuchmoreawareofmymentalhealthissues
butidefinitelyandmuchmoreawareofmyselfasaperson
nowmaybealittletooawareihavetonowfindalittlemorebalanceagainifeltverybalancedinproud
intwentynineteen
nineteen
andthenintwenty
twentyifeltthepolaroppositeofthat
andnowimkindofdesortofcomingbacktonormallikegettingbacktonormalgettingmymentalhealthbackfiguringout
howtobeproudofmyselfagainbecauseforaboutayearandahalf
iforgothowto
andihateevenusingthiswordbesprase
becausethisiswhat
whatwasaccusedoftakecreditforallofmyhardwork
butwhatiwantpeoplewhoknowsyoucanttake
youcanttakecreditawayfrompeople
youcanjustbilllittlethemthatsallyoucando
youcanttakecreditfromanartist
youcaneitherworkonthesonginwhatevercapacityyouworkedonthesong
oryourenotonthecreditlistorcreditsheetatall
andtheresnosuchthingaslyingaboutworkingonsomethingwhenpubliccreditsareathinglistersthatsjustimportantforallofyoutokeepinmindalsobeyourselffecredeespeciallyifarefefemeehemightallidentifyingwearetoldaswomenshsharecredit
beproudofwhatyouveputouttherebeproud
whateverisdidyoudoagreatjobatyourjob
didyougetaraise
didyouraiseachild
whodidntturnouttobeanxmururrerer
didyougetoutofbedthismorningbeproudofwhateveristhatyouareputtingoutintotheworld
anddontletanyonetakethatawayfromyou
anditshard
itshardonin
inaworld
whereyouhaveaccesstocelebrities
nowtwentyfourseven
wheniwasafanchild
youcouldntjustgoonAValivewatchchafavoriteartistworkonanewsong
thatwassomethingverysecretiveinprivate
thatwassomethingthathappenedamillionmilesawayinthestars
andnowitssotangible
peoplefeelconnectedtoit
liketheyhaveownershipoverit
andithinkitsortoftakesthemagicoutofbeingfananknowalotlotoffansaldisagreewithmeonthat
butisortofmissthedays
whenididntknowhoweverythingworked
wheniwasntbehindtheoldcurtain
youknowitsbeenoneofthosejourneysfromit
ithasntgoneupanddownandthenupagain
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