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todayweregoingtobe
werecanbelookingyet
leouis
carols
alysses
adventuresinwanderlandspecificallychapter
eightfine
wherealicefindsyourselfonthequeens
ccrowcaaygroundum
andwherecanbetalkingaboutallthecrazycharactersandalltheeventsthathappeneditsaprettywildchapter
yeahitsareallyfunchapter
ithinkitsoneofthemosticonicchaptersinthebook
forsure
forsure
sosotostartoffum
iguessthefirstthing
ithappensiselseworunintothese
thesedeners
andtheyrefranticallypaintingwhiteroses
redyeah
becausetheyareterrifiedofthequeensreactionyeah
thequeensgoingtohavehavetheirheads
ifshefindsout
exactlythattheyplantedthewrongcolouredroses
itsprettychemical
ahbutitmakesyouthinkyouknowaboutthispressuretoconformtothesearbitraryrulesyeah
meanlywhodecidedthatredrosesgetbetterthanwhiterosesyeah
exactlylikejustthequeenspreference
yeah
andthenyouvegotthegardeners
whoarejustlikerenerallikecrazy
tryingtoyouknowfixthismistakebeforethequeenseesit
yeah
theressoafraidofher
anditsinteresting
becauseithinkthatspeakstolikealargerthemeinthebook
aboutlikepowerdynamics
yeah yeah
forururefuture
andthenumshortlyafterthatyouhavethislikecrazyprocessionthatarrivesonthecrokeayground
yeah
itspretty
wow
youvegotsoldiers
shapelikeplayingcards
yeah
youvegotthesecordiers
whoarecoveredindiamonds
roychildredrenwholikelikeaddoornedwithhearts
itsveryoverthetop
yeah
itsreallyoverthetop
imeankerlwasnotsubtlewithhissatire
nono
hewasnot
hewasreallygoingforitinthischapter
everything
yeah
andithinkitsinteresting
howheuseslikethisimagerah
ikindoflikehighlighttheobserityofthevictoriancourt
andjustlikethatwholesystemoflikehierarchy
andlikeyouknowoutwardappearanceisbeingmoreimportantthansubstance
yeah
ithinkthatsagreatpoint
anditsnotjustlimitedtothevictorianera
yeah
ithinkyoucanseeparallelstothatinanysortoflikehigherarticicalsystem
oversure
forsure
um
andthenalsoammitsallrgranderlikeweseethewhiterabbitagainyeah
scringabouthessupernervous
hestryingtoavoidalice
yeah
youcantellheslikestilltraumatizefromthatearlierencounterwithher
yeah yeah
sohesafraidofthequeen
findingoutthathewasyouknowtalkingtoalice
orsomething
yeah
orthathewaslatebecauseofheryeah
exactlyandspeakingofthequeen
yeah
iskindoftheembodimentoflikepowerinthischapter
yeah
shesterrifiying
yeah
shesconstantlythreatentotheheadpeople
yeah
hercatchphrasesoffwiththeirheadright
butitsinteresting
howalexisntreallyintivatedbyher
yeah
shesprettyfearlessforalittlegirl
yeah
shesjustkindoflikestandsupdoor
yeah
ithinkprettyremarkableconsideringhoweveryoneelseisliketotallyterrifiedtothequeen
yeah
ithinkitshowsthataliceisstartingtolikedevelopedheronesenseofself
andshesnotafraidtoquestionauthority
eveninthislikecrazyworldofwonderland
yeah
ithenyoubehavethekingwhoseemsliketotallypowerlessyenextthequeenyeah
heskindofpathetic
yeah
hesalwaystryinglikeapizzaandsoftintheblowoflikeherpronouncementsandstuff
yeah
itskindofsad
itiskindofsad
yeah
butiguessitalsokindofshowshowlikesomeoneinapositionofpower
canreallyinfluencelikethebehaviorofthepeoplearoundthem
yeah
forsure
soiguessmovingontothecrokaygameitselfyeah
itsnothinglikeanormalcrokeaygame
yes
totallybonkerstheyvegotlivehejojogsforballsyeah
flimmingosformlotsandthearchesaremadeofsoldierswerelikedoubledoveryeah
itsstillthechaotic
itspurechaos
itshilariousthoughitisreallyfunny
andithinkitkindofspeakstothislike
是的 是的
absurdityandunpredicabilityoflife
yeah
ithinkthatsagreatpoint
especiallylikefromachilddsperspective
yeah yeah
likeimaginetrannavigateaworld
whereliketherulesareconstantlychanginginnothingmakessenseright
andithinkkrelisusingthislikechaoticcocaaygametokindofsaturizetherigidrulesinlikechaetalexpectations
thatchildrenareoftenforcedtonavigateright
anditdoesntalwaysmakesensetothem
no
noatall
andliketheheadhogsrunningoff
andtheflaminggoesrefusingtocooperateitsalljustlikeaddingtothissenseoffrustrationandconfusion
thatithinkaliceisfeelingyeah
imeancanyouimaginetryingtoplaycrookaywithafumingo
no
itsoundsimpossibleyeah
thatsgoingtobesuperfrustratingyeah
andthenjustwhenyouthinkthingscouldntgetanyweirderwhoshowsup
butthecheshurecat
yeah
withhiscreepygrinandhisabilitytolikedisappearandreappearitwill
yeah
hessuchafascinatinginacter
yeah
ahsoneonmyfavortes
hekindofexistoutsidetherulesofwonderingyeah
heskindoflikeacommentatorontheoldthingyeah
hesjustwatchingthemadnessunfold
andkindoflikechucklingtohimselfyeah
andheaskedalicethesereallyinterestingquestionslikehowareyougettingon
andhowdoyoulikedthequeamyeah
itslikehestryingtogethertothinkaboutherownexperiencesandperceptionsofthisworldyeah
heskindoflikeamacevioustherapist
yeah
hesdefinitelycatalystfordrociousyethenofcoursewehavethewholedebateaboutbeheadingthecheshercat
oh yeah
hesjustridiculousyeah
meanhedoyoubehadacat
thatdoesnthaveAAbodyrightitsimpossiblebuttheexecutionerthekinginthequeen
theyallhavetheirownlikeillogicalreasoningforwhyitcantpydoneyeah
itsatotalbureaucraticnightmare
yeah
andithinkcirlsreallysaturizingthosebureaucraticsystemsthatoftenprioritizeprocessovercommonsenseyeah
forsure
hesshowingushoweasilyrulescanbemanipulatedtoservethoseinpower
evenifthoserulesaretotallynonsensisical
yeah
anditmakesyouwonderlikewhathappenswhentherulesthemselvesaretheproblemrightthatsareallygoodquestion
anditssomethingweregoingtocontinuetoexploreaswededetdeeperintothischaoticcrokaygameandalyysjourneythroughwderland
yeah
stateumitsinteresting
yousaythatbecausethiswholechapterjustseemstobeaboutchallengingliketherulesandhowtheyreapplied
yeah yeah
itslikecareofsaying
hey
lookatthesesituationsaretheserulesreallymakinganysenseexactly
andhesdoingitinsuchafunnyway
likeyoucantforgetthatimageoflikethecheasurecatsheadjustloatingthererightandeveryonessguingaboutwhetherthercanbebeheadeditssobizarre
itssuchagreatthemeandalicethroughallthisistryingtoapplylogicandreason
anditjustdoesntseemtowork
wellyeah
imeanwonderlandisaplace
wherealogicandreasondontreallyapply
rightitslikeitsownsetofrulesthatdontmakeanysense
anditmakesmethinkabouthowiskidswerealwaystoldtofollowrulesrightbutwhathappens
whenthoserulesarejustcompletelyarbitraryorevenharmefulthatsagreatquestion
andithinkmaybecarelesssayingthatitsimportanttofollowtothinkcriticallyyeah
anddecidewhichrulesareworthfollowinginwhichonesarentrightandelsesalreadykindofdoingthatthischapter
yeahshesquestioningthequeensauthority
shestryingtoreasonwithallthesecrazycharacters
yeah
sheevenmentionedduducheoah
yeahkindofthisotherauthorityfigure
yeah
whosbeeninprisonforsomehesaveryinterestingcharacter
yeahshesgoingtodifferentperspective
rightitslikechaolstryingtoshowthattherearethesealternativevoices
thatneedtobeheardyeah
eventhethevebeenkindofsilencetomarginalizesexactlyandspeakingofinsightfulvoices
thecheasurecat
thecheasurecatshowsupagainrightandofcoursehedisappearsredandleaveseveryonearguingaboutthisimpossibletask
itsalmostlikehissenseofthissituationyeah
justtowatcheveryonesquoreumyeah
andthenhesguyyourelikeahhehegulikeitslikedidthatreallyhappened
yeah
herepresentskindoflikeadetachedwisdomyeah
likehecanseehowabsurdeverythingisRED
buthedoesntreallygetinvolved
hejustobservesandasksquestionsyeah
andthenhedisappearsitslikehesthereader
yeah
kindoflookinginonthisworld
tryingtomakesenseofitall
andmaybehesalsosayingthatsometimesthebestwaytodealwithobcerditiestojustkindoflaughatit
yeah
justletitgotomoveon
exactlyifeellikealalysgettinglikeacrashcourseincriticalthinkingthroughthiswholecrokygameyeah
shsseeingthelogicalrules
arbitrary
punishments
charactersthatvalueappearancesoversubstanceitsjustlikeaworldwofabsurdity
yeah
andshehastolikerethinkeverything
shethought
sheknewabouttheworld
butthroughitall
shestillhasthissenseofcuriosity
yeah
andwonderevenwhenshesfrustrated
ithinkitsreallycool
yeah
ithinkthatssomethingwecouldalllearnfromadasadults
especiallylikeitssoeasytogetcaughtup
andliketherulesandexpectations
yeah
butsheremindstojustkeepaskingwhyyeah
thatchildlikeperspectiveissovaluable
yeah
becauseitletsusseethingswithfresheyes
exactlyencaresencouragingustodothesame
yeah
ahchapteralsoreallyshowshowpowercanbemisused
oh yeah
forsure
thequeenisconstantlythreateningpeopleyeah
wouldbeheading
是的 对的
andherwordislaw
umitisyeah
yeah
anditshowswhatcanhappenwhensomeonehastoomuchpower
andtheydontreallycareabouthowtheyuseitright
anditsnotjustthequeen
evenintheothercharacters
theygetintotheselittlepowerstrugglesrightliketheduchess
eventhoughshesinprison
shesstilltriestoassertherauthority
yeah
shesgotapointtoproverightitslikepowerdynamicsexisteveninthisnnnsicalworld
yeah
theyreeverywheremakesyou
youthinkyourownlifetooahlikewedonthavebutqueen
butweallknowpeoplewhotrytolikeexerttheirinfluenceoverothers
yeah
sometimesinreallysubtlewaysright
soaswewrapupthisdeepdive
whataresomethings
ourlistenerscantakeawayfromthischapter
ithinkitremindsustoquestiontheruleslikedontbeafraidtochallengethings
嗯
spespeaktruthtopowerdont
dontlosethatsenseofwonderahcuriosity
thatchildlikeperspective
yeah
evenwhenthingsgetcrazy
yeah
becausesometimesthatsallyoucandorightitsaboutfindingthatbalanceumbetweenrecognizingtheabsurdity
butstillthinkingcriticallyexactly
solistenersisyougothroughlife
rememberthosegardeners
paintingthoserosesred
yeah
andthatcrazy
crokygameandthecheshurekat
yeah
letthosebereminderstoquestionthingstochallengethings
andneverstopexploringtheworldaroundyou
yeah
becauseyouneverknowwhatyoumightfinditsrightwellthankyousomuchforjoiningusforthisdeepdiveintolewestcuroousworld
yeah
itsbeenapleasure
anduntilnexttimekeepthosemindscuriousandthoseheartsopentotheimpossibleabsolutely
