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welcomebacklistenersersreretaanotherdeepepveve
todayandthistimeweregoingdowntherabbitholeliterallywithelseandelseisadvenventuinwwonderland
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excellentchoice
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oh
pigonpepperaclassicpipigmewn
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andrealitiesalreadygettingwellaprettygoodcake
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andits
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thereare
therearenolimits
anythingispossible
absolutely
butwhatssointerestingtomeishowalicejustyouknowkindoftakesitallinstride
yeah she
shereallydoes
anditmakesmewonder
youknowasareerameshejustdreaming
or
orhassheliketrulysteppedintothisworld
wherelogichasnopowerrightyeah
whatdoyou
whatdoyouthink
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oh
thatssuchagoodquestion
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thisnewreality
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thatsgoingtokeeppopinup
oh yeah
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butthenheaddsyouknowkindofcasuallyally
yes
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anditmadeeveryonssnezeaccepttheduchessandthebaby
itssoweird
rightlikehesetsupthisseeminglynormalkitchenseam
yes
anditjustthrowsinthis
itsreallystrangedetailaboutyouknowthepepapaper
yeah
anditslikeitsafffectingeveryonebuttheduchess
and
andits
itsfunny
itsstrange
butitsalsojustkindoflikeoddlyunsettlingallsametime
oh yeah
andthereare
therearesomanywaysyoucouldinterpretthisuhthiswholechaoticscene
rightsomepeopletheyseeitasasattireofavictorianfamilylife
okwithallthoseyouknowstrictsocialcodesandanoftenstifflingatmosphere
andthenothersseeitasasmoretherepresentationofjustthetheturmoilchildhood
rightthose
thosepredicictableemotionsincensoryoverloaditstrue
yeah
soitreallymakesyouwonder
youknowwhatiskiral
tryingtosayabouttheworld
theworldoutsideofwonderland
whatyouyeah
its
itsagoodquestion
andmaybeitsbothrightlikemaybehessuggestingthateveninthemostordinarysettings
theresthiselementof
ofabsurdity
justlurkingbeneaththesurfaceouttotally
right
totally
and
andmaybeyouknowmaybenalittlebit
thatthatwonderlineperspective
thatthatwillingtotojustkindofembracetheological
andwhatweneedtonavigateour
ourownlives
thecomplexxtiveofour
ourlives
becausethatsagoodpoint
yeahlikeyouknowasurvivaltacticalmostwonderlyperspective
yeahlikeyouarollthepunchchrollwhatthepunchisexactly
becausewhoknowswhatscomingnextwhoknowsthatsthebeautyofitrightandspeakingofembrrasingideological
letstalkaboutthecheshurecat
oh
yeah
righthe
heappearstoalice
whileshesintheduchess
hiskitchen
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its
itsgoingtobeoneofthemosticonicumimagesfromthewholebookfuurefuturelikeitssoplayfulandunnervingatthesametime
andthefactthatitcan
itcanexistindependentlyofthecathimselfjustmakesituhwellthatmuchweirder
yeahmakesmethinkabouthowcareolusesthisgrintoreallyplaywiththeideaof
ofhumor
itselfyouknowyeahlikehumorcanbeasourceofjoyofconnection
butitcanalso
alsobeusedtomomokalittleoreventhreatenabsolutely
andthecheasureercatscenenjustinbodiesthatdoality
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anditsunsettling
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yeahlikeagattofahaveajoke
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evenafteryouknow
afterthepunchline
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exactlyitslikeitmakesyouwonderaboutthenatureofhumor
rightahwhatmakessomethingfunny
andwhenishumoracrossthatunnsomething
somethingalittlebitmoredisturbing
yeah
thatsagoodquestiontothinkaboutwhatdoyouthink
listeners
yeah
whatdoyouthink
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whatdoeshappenthecomments
yeah
butyeah
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itslikehesdeliberatelytryingtoconfuseher
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yeah heis
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andthatbluringofthelinesbetweenwhats
whatsreal
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yes
thatmakeswonderlandsosocaptivating
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itstrue
itslikebeingonarollercoaster
youknowyoure
yourthrilledinyourterrifer
youare
butyoujustjustcanhelp
butlikeyeahholdonancy
whathappensnowyeah
yeah
exactly
whichbringsthistoanother
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thetransformationoftheduchesssbabyintoapig
oh yes
thepigbaby
pigbabyaclassic
itssosobizarre
yeah
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ifsheshavingaseriousconversationwithapig
yeah
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itsnobigbigdeal
yeah
anditjusthighlightsher
herpragmatism
youknow
yeah
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butshe
shecepcepts
andsheadaptsherbehavior
yeah ah
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shesgoingwith
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absolutely
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ownterms
yeshes
sheslettinggo
ofallofherpreconcsivenotionsabouthowtheworld
howtheworldshouldwork
exactly
exactly
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right oh
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fromthestart
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shebecomesmoreconfident
morewillingtoembrace
youknowtheunknown
yeah
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everynonsensicalencounter
she
sheshedalittlebit
ofher
ofheroldwayofthinking
yeah
youknow
andand
embraces
uhembracestheoneoflandwayyeah
andits
itsoneofthemostpowerfulmessagesofthestory
anything
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forthechallenges
theuncertaintiesthatwefaceininreallife
right
andandherjurtyteachesussaidthatsometimesthebestwaytonavigatethosechallengesisto
tojustletgo
of
ofourneedforlogcandcontrol
andjustembracetheabsurity
ityofallitslikesometimesyoujustgotasurrendertothemadness
surrendertothemadnesslego
andenjoytheride
and
andithinkthatisntreallywellwiththecheshuecatsline
thatfamouslinewereallmadhere
oh
absolutelythatlineimeanits
itssoofteninterpretedasuhascecelebraofindividudualityandarejectionof
ofsocietalnorms
butit
butitcanalsobeseenasAArecognition
thatlifeitselfisitsinherentlyendeavor
ahah yeah
andthattryingtomakesenseofitallits
itskindofafutualendeavor
yeslikemaybeitsnotaboutfindingtheanswers
but
butlearningto
tojustlivewiththequestion
oh
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andofthecrazyunexpectedturns
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ourdeepdivehaschaactersixofaliceisatventuresinwonderland
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srighthals
yeah
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thatuhthatthecheshurecathasdeemedmad
itslikea
itslikeshescaughtthisgame
yeah
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and
andnooneseemstohavelikeAAclearmap
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evenquququtedtherealworld
right
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itslikethosewouldyouratherquestions
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untilyoureallystarttowait
the
theconsequences
yeah
thebizarreconsequenthebizarreconsequences
exactly
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hiswholeapproachtoconversationislike
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yeah
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toquestioneverything
youknowevenourownperceptionsofareality
yeah
andthatthatmakesmethinkabouthowoftenin
inthe the
the
thattocalledrealworld
umweencounterthings
thatthatjustifylogiicalexplanation
oh yeah
absolutelylikethinkaboutthosemoments
umyouknowwhenyouvemisplacesomethingthatyouwerejustholdingyes
oryouwalkintoaroom
youcompletelyforgetwhyyouwinyesallthetimelikealotofglitchesinoureverydaylives
youknowyesahthatmakeusfeellikewevesteppedintoourownlittlepersonalwonderland
exactly
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oh
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thatwerenotalwaysincontrol
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andmaybe
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yeah
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whatdoyouthinkithinksoyeah
likeahmaybeitsaremindertonottakeourselvestooseriouslyrighttoembracetheunexpected
and and
andfind
findhumorintheabsurtaity
ityof
ofitallfindthehumor
yeah
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asasthetreasurecatssoeluqutlyputsitwereallmadhere
wereallmadhere
andmyaswhattoembraceitrightrightmyaswellyeahandspeakofbadcharacters
youknowaliceisumshesabouttometwoofwonderldsuhamosticonicresident
oh yes
themadhatterinthemarchair
themadhatterinthemarchair
uhitsitsteparparty
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theirteapartyisuhwhatitsoneofthemostfamousscenesin
inallofliterature
ithinksorightitsthis
itsthisworldwindofofnonsensicalconversations
rightitsknowbrokenclocksandconstantlyshiftingplacesatthetable
rightandyouknow
andithinkitsasmuchaboutthesubversionof
ofsocialnormsasitisaboutyouknowjustanonsensicalconversation
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foradequate
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disdisguisedashasciviiliitreallyis
andthatswhatmakesissofascinating
youknowitslikeacarolisholdingupamirrortoourownsocialrituals
yesandwereseeingthemreflectedbackinthis
inthislikedistortedbutoddlyrevealingway
oh
ilovethat
thats
thatsagreatwaytoputitandyouknow
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hes
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concontions
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iftheyactuallytuallyveus
whatifinsteadofclaningtotheseyoutheseoutdatedtraditions
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morespontain
yes wayof
ofbeing
itsa
itsareallygoodquestion
andinonethatelseisreallycrapplingwithifshe
shetriestomakesenseofitallumyouknow
andithinkwecanallrelatetothatfeelingrightofbeingtheoddoneoutyeah
otototyeahthosemoments
whereyouyoufeellikeyouremissingthepunchline
yeah
haveajokethatthateveryoneelseseemstogetyeah
exactyeah
andthatspreciselythekindofdiscomfort
thatcarolcapturessobrilantlyithinkithisinhinthisteapartyscene
rightitslikeitsaremind
thatthateveninthemostuhseeminglycivilizedsettings
theresalways
theresalwaysisundercurrentofofobsurdity
youknowyeah
theres
andmaybethatsthekeyto
tosurguringthosesituations
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andliketothehumorinthe
theunexpected
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andtojustnottakeourselvestooserious
yeahjustjustrollwiththem
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whodidyeahabouttoenterthisworldwindofyouknownonsensicalconversationandbrokenclock
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socaptivating
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youknowthefinechina
thepoliteconversation
butthenyouthrowinthese
thesemadcharactersthathadterthemarchachairtimeismeaninglesseveryonsspoutingriitdlesandnonsenseits
itsotherchaos
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thisbrainsortofordertoittoo
youknowrighttheyhavetheirowninternallogic
thataliceistryingtofigureout
yeah yeah
anditmakesmethinkabouthowoftenwetrytomakesenseofsituations
thatjustdont
dontfollowanysortofoflogicalrules
oh
absolutelylikewereconstantlytryingtoimposeorderonaworld
thatisisinherentlychaoic
yeah
andithinkkrerelis
ispokenfunaboutalittlebit
ithinksotoowiththisteaparty
hesshowinguscontrotimesitsokaytojustletgoofourneedforlogicandcontrolumandjustembracethemadness
embracethemadness
yeah
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youcanjustrelaxandenjoytheright
theright
exactlyitslikeuh
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youknowatfirstshesfrustrated
shestryingyingfollowlowtherules
ah ah
shemustunderstand
exactlybuteventually
shejustkindofsurrenderstotheobsurityofitallshedoes
sheandithinkthatsareallyvaluablelessonforallofus
exactly
andithinkitspeakstothis
this
thislargerthingwevebeentalkingaboutruabouteembracingtheologicalquestioningourassumptions
challengingourperceptionsofreality
yeahand
andyouknow
findingthewonderanddelightintheeverydayabsurtatiesoflife
becauseletsbehonestlifecanbeprettyabsurdsometimesthenahifwecanlearntoseeitthrough
throughalysieyeahandsensensecurcurioity
ityandawillnessnesstojustyouknowgowiththelowlowyeyeah
thenybebewecanactuallyenjoytherightalittlebitmoreithinksosotoourlistenersersouttherethenexttimeyoufindyourselfinthesituation
thatjustdoesntmakesenseright
rememberalice
rememberaliceeembacacetheabsurdityquestioneverything
anddontbeafraidtogrinlikethecheshururecat
exactlywellthataboutwrapsupourdeepdiveintopegonpepper
itdoes
andwhatajourneyitsbeen
wehopeyouenjoyedit
andbesuretojointhisnexttimeforanotheradventuredowntherabbitholeofliterature
